How To Be Fast Behind The Chair When Working With Texture w/ Keya Neal

Hello, Keia. How are you doing today, my friend? Hi, Hunter. I am well.

I am well. Thank you so much for coming on th- the pod today. I really appreciate it, and I always absolutely get- ge- ab- absolutely love getting to learn from you, getting to chat with you, and I know that my audience does as well too, so it's such a gift that you're here with us today. You are here because w- you are going to be at one of our tour stops for the Modern Hairstylist Tour up in Philadelphia, and we are so- W- ...

honored to have you. Oh my gosh, hold on. Let me just stop right there and say- ... how honored I am to do that, because, you know, being on tours and being a- a part of a- a- a really inter- you know, con- a conversation that just everyone needs to be in and- and- and pivoting to, you know, more efficiency, that's like top tier, and I- and I think...

I love what you're doing, and I just- I just love being able to partner with you. You know, me and you have been doing some amazing things together, and so when I saw this and you asked me, I was totally honored, so absolutely. I appreciate that so much. And so, like you said, like the tour is, um, is going to be teaching a lot of- Okay.

efficiency, particularly in the business side of things, the admin things that we have to do on top of doing the hair, but then also- Teaching. um, teaching people how to make it so they're doing services behind the chair as efficiently as possible, and what I think is so cool is that we can, like take the theme of efficiency and then take this other thing that people may not know much about or may be experienced in but will be able to learn from you about nonetheless, and kind of mix- Okay. those themes together and make it so somebody is executing them in the best, most efficient way possible. Okay.

And so you are gonna be teaching all about texture, right? Absolutely. Beautiful. I love it.

And so- Cool. what I wanted to ask you was a couple of questions, um, about efficiency and spending time specifically working with texture behind the chair today. Sure. So, um, if you don't mind, I'll start off with, what are some common time wasters that stylists encounter when working with texture, and how can they avoid them?

You know what the biggest time waster is? And I'll be honest, I was one of those people. I mean, like if there was a T-shirt that said, "I waste time," I would've had it, like I would've had the first print. It's in the detangle.

Hm. And I think because we don't take, uh, we- we're not taking inventory and not really understanding what the approach needs to be to texture and curls and coils, that could be waves, it could be just frizz, it could be any measure of curls, but especially curls and coils that have, um, more, more, uh, what I wanna call it, like intensity of curl. Um, you know, detangling can be something, and if it's done wrong, it can- it can be a time killer and a time waster, so I think, you know, when people are talking about approach, realizing that detangling should be done dry. You know?

Right. It can be done before you hit water. If you start detangling someone's hair, it's gonna mat up if you hit- Right. water first.

Mm-hmm. So, you know, having different, uh, tools with yourself, leave-ins, slippage, things like that, and just the technique of actually detangling can make your process and the comfort of the- the client much more easier, so I would say it's right at the beginning. We spend so much time just trying to get started. Yeah.

That absolutely makes sense. Uh, do you believe that there's, like things that you can tell your client to do at home, like to make that process easier? I do. I do.

I think the same way we tell clients sometimes to treat and detox their hair before they come in if, you know, if we're not willing to do it, um, I think that there are things we can do and say. Especially, let's just say, for me, if I- if I had a client that was coming out of braids, I absolutely would say, "Hey, start detangling this hair. You know- Right. maybe go through while you're taking your braids out, X, Y, Z."

But how- what I don't want people to get away from is realizing that, you know, detangling can be a part of your service. It doesn't have to be a time killer. It could be a part of the service that you actually add in to bring value, because- Yeah. not everybody has the ability or the time or even the desire to do that.

They might sit in your chair and say, "Listen, you got this part. You got it. Once I did this, this is what you got." And I think that if we understood how to create a elevated version of that story, of that s- and of that service, I think then, yeah, we- we could absolutely create value for us but also lean into them, if they don't mind, yeah, there are certain things they could do to- to start that process and make it- and make it much easier.

Yeah. I really appreciate that perspective, because I feel like particularly right now, um, I, you know, with, I don't know, in the past couple years, I feel like hairstylists have gotten really strong with their boundaries, and, um, uh, we've gotten sick of, like putting up with, like a lot of stuff, I guess, that, uh, clients can put on us sometimes or that we allow clients to put on us sometimes. And with that, I feel like people have gone so far in the other direction sometimes, where, like now, the general client feels like they're being asked so much of, you know? Right.

They are being asked to shampoo the hair, to detangle the hair, to do this, that, and- That's correct. the third before they actually come, and then they feel like they're not getting as much of a valuable experience from the service provider. Would you agree? I would agree, and that's why I lean right into elevate the service.

Make it a line item, right? Right. You know, you want them... You...

If you tone the hair, you color the hair, you foil the hair, and then you tone the hair. Like that is a part of the service, so I mean, I would love for us to not look at some of these different line items and services that we provide as such a- a- a mundane task and- Right. more of, you know, like I said, elevate the service and just say, "We're gonna have..." Like rename it, something like a, you know, a- a- a pre- a pre-session of some sort, you know?

Right. And we- and then it's almost like, let's come in a little bit 30 minutes earlier, and so I think if you embed that in... And- and, you know, here's one thing I heard recently that was really intriguing, is that we are now starting to reevaluate and redefine luxury. Hm.

Luxury is not... And I totally agree with this. Luxury is not anymore about access, uh, price, or s- value, of course, to price. Like, it doesn't just have to be expensive to be valuable.

Val- value is now living in the experience. Mm-hmm. It's living in the service. Mm-hmm.

It's living in all those beautiful things that we do, the nuances, the luxury, the, you know, the logistics, the, the atmosphere that we set. That's considered luxury. Expensive or not, that- Right. is luxury.

And so I feel like I saw something the other day on this very subject where someone, um, created a, a, a, a, actually it's just a salon just to take braids down and care for the hair and to de-tangle and to do all the things and really, you know, shampoo your hair and then everybody just left like that. Right, right. And it was like that was a service. And I said, "That's what I've been saying."

I've been telling people, like, the only thing I've ever hated doing were things that I didn't get paid for. Like, that's it. Right. So if you put it as a service menu and you say, the same way you book the haircut, the color, the this, the that, the blowout, say if we're spending time in our free, you know, uh, free time or whatever we wanna call it, I can't even come up with anything, you know, clever right this second- That's fair.

but if we come up with something to, to mar- to, to sort of mark that time, then people can say, "No, I'm gonna actually come, you know, I wanna do, do that work," or, "I'm gonna add this in." That way you already know the value of your time, you just add it in. I absolutely love that perspective very much so. Um, so we talked, uh, a little bit about the, like, that de-tangling being a common time-waster.

Now, on the flip side, what are some things that you think that stylists can do to ensure that they are actually as efficient as possible when they're working with texture? Uh, you know, the thing about textures and curls is that curls and coils hold water. And sometimes depending on, um, the porosity of that hair, it can hold water. So I think sometimes when we're doing different sets and, and, um, you know, different styles, whether it's a wash-and-go or whether it's a, a roller wrap or whether it's a, a rod or whether it's a finger curl- coil, sometimes I think managing water content and pre-dry.

Hmm. Like, that's not the end-all or be-all, how it is for so many things, but really understanding... Um, and these are some of the things I'm gonna teach in my class, like how to implement not using so much product. Hmm.

What's gonna set you up along the way to not have to use so much product that might end up being sort of a hassle to dry, you know? Right, right. And I think that's, that's kind of how it is. A lot of water and a lot of product.

And so you gotta get the hair to the point where the hair is behaving the way you want to and having... And it is now, it is now, um, behaving and you're creating the perfect canvas to create these styles that don't take too long under the dryer or too long in the chair, you know, things like that. And I can't wait to talk about it. But like I said, the use of water.

Yeah. I think people don't know the value of a pre-dry, like, and a pre-stretch on, on textured hair. I love that. And, you know, something that I've learned a lot from you and you talk about a lot when, you know, you're doing your classes too, is just the foundation of just understanding the hair that you're working with.

For sure. Right? Like, and that's going to determine so many different things and how you approach it to make it so you are being as efficient as possible and you understand the type of product to use, how much to use, and things like that too. Right.

So I feel like it also comes down to, like, understanding the, the fabric and the type of fabric that you're working with- Absolutely. at the end of the day too, right? And it does come down to, like you said, everybody has a different format. Like, you're gonna have a different strategy for every particular- Right.

u- uh, texture that comes in and, and according to what they want or what they need and how you're actually gonna get them to what that is, right? So a lot of times, you know, pre-drying might not be the case for this person, but what, but what I would love for your audience to know, and hey y'all, welcome back. Um, is that, uh, most of the work that you're gonna be doing is in the onset. I think people get wrapped- Mm-hmm.

up into thinking that textured hair takes a long time, but the reality is- Right. is it doesn't take that much longer than anything else with proficiency, right? Mm-hmm. And with, um, knowing how to do something to that va- to that level, and that gives you the, that gives you the...

for me, it's that, that, that prowess that you have of understanding who needs what, when, and how and developing a strategy that's not only time-effective, but it actually produces the results that you want- Right. with less pro- like you said, less product, less time, less manipulation, less this. And so I think a lot of times we don't realize the work is done in the evaluation and in the, in the wet, the wet work. Mm-hmm.

If you nail the wet work, the rest of it kind of can be easy. Mm-hmm. And so I, I think I can't wait to talk about that, because I've had some experiences having to really tell people that. Like, you get flustered thinking this is taking a long time.

I'm like, "Yeah, but the back half is so quick." Right. You know? Right.

And, and so once you get in it and you're learning how to work with different textures, whether it's waves, whether it's, you know, bigger loop ear curls or whether it's tighter curls, once you learn what the hair can do and what to expect, then you manage your expectations and your strategy. I absolutely love that so much, dude. This is why I love you. Aw.

You just kill it, dude. Um, thank you. Okay. So, uh, here's a little bit of a...

I asked you before we got into this if you were down for a little bit of a controversial one, and I feel like everybody will have, uh, their opinions, but I absolutely am excited to hear yours. So, um, what are your thoughts about charging for extra time? Because we did talk about charging for the extra service- Mm-hmm. that you're do, that you do, right?

Mm-hmm. Um, and so what are your thoughts about charging for extra time that it may take somebody when working with texture or hair just in general? And, um, you know, I think specifically in this conversation, one thing I'd like to mention, 'cause I've heard you talk about it before, is that this question oftentime comes up with stylists who may not be used to working with texture and find that it takes them a little bit longer and that leads them to a dilemma of whether or not they should charge more for the service.Okay.

So first of all, I love that question. So there's kinda like a, maybe a two or three-part to that question. But at the very top, I would love everybody to come to the center of, how do you gauge your prices for, for everybody across the board? Mm-hmm.

You know if someone asks you for a partial foil, versus a full foil, versus if they have, you know, shorter hair, mid-lengths to the shoulder, and to, you know, mid-back bra strap length or to the butt, the price is never gonna be the same for those different variations, right? Well, there's no difference with texture. The problem is, is most of us wanna say, "Well, it's taking me longer to do it because it's curly," when that might not be the case. It's taking you longer because it's more dense.

It's taking you longer because it's longer. It's taking you- Mm. longer because it's less pro- porous, or that, you know, whatever that is, but it's not because it's curls. Right.

You're gonna get some curls in your chair that take you less time than any straight-haired person- Yes. that sits in your chair. So it, so I think the first thing we gotta do is take our mind to... Okay, and then here's the other side.

Every time we think texture, we think Black. We gotta kill that. That's the problem. If we're thinking Black, then you're automatically into the tighter curls when you're not realizing that texture is a spectrum, not a hierarchy, right?

So there's no easy and hard. There's no good and bad. There's, there's the intensity. There's the, um, the...

What is the word? What is the word I'm looking for? Um, what's the opposite of dilution? Um, Lord, I said it the other day.

Um- Saturation? Saturation. Yes. So it's like, if you have a heavier saturation or more intensity of curls than you have less, that's what it is.

It's like a spectrum. It's left to right, not top to bottom. Right. And I think we have to get our minds out of that, first of all.

Yeah. Then we'll realize that when we're setting out services, then we can say, "If you're getting this service based on these qualifiers, then it may be this price." It's no different than you telling somebody with a pixie cut that wants blonde, that their hair is different than someone who needs 300 foils. Right.

Or wants, you know, a, a full head of balayage plus foils and a tease and a base, you know? S- and a low light. Right. It's, it's all relevant, but I think in our mind, we're not thinking that.

However, I will throw in the caveat that if, if you're charging more because you're just not good at it, and you're not, then you can't, you can't, uh, you, you, you know, that's not my burden to bear. Y- you know? Right. That's not for you to put that onto the, to the, to the client, because you're just not good.

And then that way- Right. if you know you're not proficient, you know you're not the quickest, you might be kinda new to it, then I would look at the average price, and just like you did anything... When you learned how to do foils, I'm sure no one could do a full head of foils in 45 minutes from the very beginning of their career, and much less 30 minutes- For sure. or whatever it's taking you.

So once you become proficient, then you can start to reevaluate your time and price, that whole formula. Right. But until then, I think you should keep it a la carte for a second, based on what the average price is, or the average of your time. That, that's across the board to all of your services.

So, if you know it takes you X amount of times, or you're working so much amount of time an hour, then make that the same formula for how you price to do that, to do the services. Does that make sense? Yeah. In an, in an average-type way.

If someone's charging $60 for that service, but it, and it takes them an hour, but it takes you two, you can't charge 120 when it's really, the value is, like, 60. Right. I think the reality is, is hit the 60 and work on trying to make it an hour instead of two. Right.

100%. You're either gonna do it faster. I mean, ain't really no other choice. You, you, It's just like time, or you're gonna have to go be faster.

Yeah. 'Cause it's, y- you know what I'm saying? You don't wanna punish. That's the word I was looking for.

You can't- Yes. punish people, the clients for your ineffectiveness. Yeah. The word I use is penalize sometimes.

You know? Yes. Uh, like penalizing- Absolutely. somebody for their biology, and then your inefficiency.

It's like, not fair. That's right. That's right. Um, I love that.

I love that answer so much. Thank you. Um, Kia, what is, what's, what's the tea? What is on your mind right now?

Like, what's inspiring you right now? Or what is, uh, what's, what's, like, top-of-mind for you as far as the industry goes? What do you wanna talk about? Can I be honest?

Absolutely. I'm tired, but I gotta press, right? Hm. So I'm struggling because I really want to shut it all off.

I want to turn it all down, turn it off. I actually just wanna turn it off. Like, I wish... If I had my way, in a, in a perfect scenario for me, I would just shut off, not do anything, allow the craziness out to just play itself out without me having to have any, any visibility to it.

I would love that, but I can't. So I kinda gotta... I'm just moving my seats, if you will. Like, you know, all, all the while, I think people have seen me on the floor, and I always talk about people being in the nosebleed sections, and, you know, people having buy-in into, you know, the movement, or changes that are happening, or whatever it, whatever it is.

Um, there are, there are, but there are seats. You're either on the floor, in the, you know, in the, on the floor seats, you got good seats, you know, or you in the nosebleed, and you're just there watching things happen. Well, I think, uh, I think I'm trading in my floor seats for the nosebleed for a little while. Yeah.

Like, I'm not gonna leave the arena, but I am going in the nosebleed for a minute. Yeah. Um, the only game I'm gonna attend is my own. That is, my events, things that I control, things that I can control who's in my space.

I have autonomy on all of the firewalls that I put up, because I now feel that I have to reevaluate who is around me. Yeah. Um, I, I, I just do. And, um...

Yeah, it's a trick- it's a tricky space. It's a tricky space, because I'm trying to honor my body and my mind, and give it the rest that it needs, but I also know that I can get in cruise control, but I can't, I can't, like, pump the brakes completely. Right. You gotta still move.

Even if it's in cruise control, I still gotta keep moving, even if I'm floating. So it's a little hard, 'cause some days I wanna just check completely out, and some days I know that I absolutely cannot, and I gotta be full throttle in it. So yeah, it's a, it's a little bit of a conundrum for me right now. Well, let me say this.

I'm not tired. I'm pissed. Period. Yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.

I'm not tired. I wasn't tired, I was, I'm pissed. I'm pissed, I'm annoyed, and un- instead of lashing, I'm just gonna be quiet, because what I really wanna say, nobody's really, nobody, no one, we're not gonna recover from right now. Mm-hmm.

So I'm trying to figure out how to share my thoughts- Mm-hmm. in a way where it, you know, I can, I can rest well with it, right? No matter what the repeat, the soundbite is or whatever. But I think we should, we have a reason to be disappointed in, in ourselves in America.

You know, we've made some, some, some really... It's not even questionable. It's insane. I feel like we're living in National Lampoon's, uh, world right now, and I think that, that we have a reason to be ashamed.

Yeah. And I think we're- Absolutely. You know. So it's not really about me being, I'm not burnt out.

Like, I was just fine with what I was doing, but I think I'm just past disappointed. Yeah. And so it's, it's, what I'm reevaluating is people and their motives and their intentions, and what they're saying, and their words that are coming out of their mouth. And I'm, I'm protecting my space because I don't want people that tell me one thing and then they do another.

Right. Like, you know, like I, you know, I read something one day that said, "We can agree on a lot of things, but my livelihood, my safety, my family, you know, my womanhood, those aren't things we can debate about." Mm-mm. Oh, ma'am.

If we can't, if we can't be human, then we can't be friends. That's just- Right. So, I'm not, I'm not tired. I don't wanna, I don't want your audience to rest on thinking that I'm, that I'm weary or fighting a good fight.

No, I'm just, I'm pissed with people. I'm pissed with people. Yeah. Thank you.

Thank you for the clarification. I appreciate it. Want to clarify that. Absolutely.

Um, and I saw, I think I saw that you just announced TVR, did you not? I di, I re-announced it, because TVR was announced way back last year- Right. and we had to make some adjustments to the date and to the location. And so just, you know, just even reconfiguring everything to make sure that we are all getting what we want.

Mm-hmm. And I, I relaunched it for May 4th through 6th. Okay. Uh, we're going back to the Frederick Douglass Maritime Park.

Uh, it's a, it's a museum built around Frederick Douglass and his history, and it is an amazing location. And I'm so excited about it. I'm excited about us shifting how we're doing things and, you know, leaning into more things than other. We moved some things, we took some things out, and we elevated some others, and expanded some others, and I think that that's, I'm so happy about that.

I, I'm ha, I'm not happy that it's five months in and we had to make all these decisions. I, I know how it goes. Event changing and shifting isn't for the weak, it- No. isn't for the weak of heart, right?

The faint of heart. But I will say this. Anybody that wants real education, that wants to really dive into, we've done a great job of curating an atmosphere of nothing but commitment, community, elevation, education, um, networking, but really just the connection of it all. It's the connection of all the pieces.

And, uh, one of the, the things I do wanna highlight is, you know, we have a lot, we have speakers, we have educators, and they are outstanding. But nothing beats hands-on experience. And we have taken our Hydro Discovery Clinic to the next level, and we're taking it out of the museum, and we're taking it to the salons, and it's all live models. And you're gonna see every spectrum of texture allowed, um, no matter what hue they are, no matter what race they are, um, no matter what background they have.

You're gonna see how texture lives on everybody, and you're gonna have the chance to work on every single one of them, and to be able to hear their stories, learn about them, learn about how they, the relationship they have with their hair. And then you're gonna get to work with, um, all the products. You're gonna get to work with water. You're gonna do a dry consultation, a wet cons- consultation.

We're gonna be able to do, uh, hands-in styling, some cutting and shaping there. But you're gonna be able to see transformations from not only the stylists, but from the models as well. Right. And that was such an impactful part of our, uh, our event the past three years, that this one, everybody was like, "I could do this.

This needed to be all day." So we heard you. We took it out of the venue and we took it to the salons, where we could really dive in and execute. Hunter, hopefully you'll make it back to TVR this year.

Last year- Yeah, I would absolutely love to be there. Oh, thank you. you killed it last year. Like, people were ready for that.

They were ready for the conversations and stuff that we were having. And I loved having that multitude of, of information, you know, going off, but thank you so much for coming and I hope you can make it again this year. Yeah. I would absolutely love to make it, 100%, and it was an absolute honor to be there and do that.

That was, like, one of the most important things that I've ever done in my career. So- I know. as far as in-person speaking events. you tell people that, like, ah.

Yes. Like, you were part of TVR. We've been making history over the past few years- Literally. together.

We have done a lot of things together, Hunter, and we have made some huge connections with each other. I've watched your career go from, "I'm getting ready to start this brand," and then- ... all of a sudden you were, like, on everybody's big platform. I was like, "Hunter?"

And so I love, I love how you are expanding and using your platform for good at, uh, at all times, and to elevate- Thank you. this industry. That's what we need. We gotta elevate the industry and do what we can to help-...

to raise our own standards. Yeah. You know? Thank you.

Well, and, you know, it wouldn't be for ... It wouldn't be happening for me at all if it wasn't for, like, people like you who inspire me. Like, everything that you're- Well- ... saying, how passionate you are about, like, bringing that e- education to the next level and, like, really making an impact on people.

And I've shared this with you before, like, it genuinely lights a fire in me to make that same impact, and then it's, it's just so inspiring to see and that's why I love getting to share what you're doing with other people, because I just know that it's coming from such a genuine and powerful place that's actually going to, like, make a huge impact and has been making an impact and revolutionizing the industry in such a beautiful way. So- Well, let's- ... thank you so much. hold that for one quick second 'cause I- Go ahead.

really wanna talk about that Philly class. Like, what can we expect from that class? Uh, now, how long do I have again, Hunter? You got as long as you want, my friend.

Okay. Now, don't say that and then you get in and everybody's looking like, "What the hell is it? What's she probably getting at?" So, here's what I, my plan is.

My plan for, uh, my part in the tour is to bring about real education, um, with texture and how to, to combat those areas, those little foxes to get in that sorta impede your proficiency as far as working with texture. And when we say texture, I really wanna make sure we're outlining that texture as everybody that's already sitting in your chair. Because a lot of the things that I'm gonna tell you is gonna be really hyper-focused on, you know, curls, coils, and, and tighter curls. But I'll tell you what, when you, when you see it and your eyes get opened and you're gonna start being like, "Well, hey, that's gonna work over here," or, "I could take that process here," and I wanna be able to work with live models so we can see that transformation.

I think people having more of a... I know it wasn't really a le- a l- a hands-on, Hunter, but I'm asking, let me have a le- a hands-in- Huh. Hell yeah. because a hands-in always brings about a aha for people.

Totally. Um, and creating space for people to walk out a healthy curiosity into how to close the gap of associating just texture with just Blackness. Like, it's not. Right.

It's a, it's a spectrum and we have to learn how to step up- Mm-hmm. in our professional prowess in understanding hair as a fabric and what does that look like? What are those qualifications? What are those characteristicss, um, of that hair strand and what do we need to do to strategize to make ours, our days easier, to make them more profitable, and to make it more comfortable for our clients?

So, I, I just can't wait to do that. I hope that you all get in the building. Like, click that link, come spend some time with me. We, there might, there might or might not be drinks, I don't know.

Ooh, ooh. Something might be. You know I'm all about cocktails. Hell yeah.

Because I'm like, "Y'all got to calm down. Y'all get in here and the minute we start talking about texture and stuff, y'all like, 'Oh, God. What are we hearing?' What are we talk- what's she gonna say today?"

Like, no. Like, get a drink and sit down. Put down your butt cheeks and let's learn. Yeah.

Let's grow. Yeah. Like, let's do some things. Like, it's just high time.

Like, there's no time like right now to be able to push us, to push us forward, right? Like, I think there's, there's people that do and people that don't. Those that do want to, to get behind the movement to standardize the industry, that's who I wanna see at the tour. If, if you're gonna be all cringey and you don't wanna, you're getting all beside yourself, please, leave, leave me out of it.

Um, I'm good with it. I only want pure-hearted people, people who have good intentions. Please, check your intentions, 'cause if not, I will. So- Period.

come in. Let's get to it. It's all good. Let's just grow together.

I love it. Absolutely. Thank you so much for being a part of it again. And so, what I'm gonna do for you, my friend, who's listening to this episode is I'm going to leave both links for Keia's, uh, Keia's social, Keia's website, and then, uh, a link to TVR 'cause I absolutely recommend that you go, and I'll see you there.

And then also, um, the link to the Modern Hairstylist Tour, and specifically the Philly date, and I'll leave Keia's link down there as well too. So, um, make sure to come out and get some in-person education 'cause there's nothing like it, you know? Like, we could take an online course all day, we can listen to podcasts all day, but w- it's n- it's not until you actually get your hands on, right, your hands in- Yeah, mm-hmm. and that's, that's something that really permeates for you and you have, like, a life-changing experience sometimes.

If, when people buy a ticket to the tour stop- Mm-hmm. then they can also immediately get a coupon for a discount for TVR. Mm. 'Cause if you come to the tour, you're gonna wanna come to TVR- Uh, yes.

But why wait? I don't want you to wait. I want you to have time to make plans, right? Yep.

But I'm saying if you are listening to the podcast right now and you're like, "Okay, yes. I wanna come see what it's all about. Let me see if she and I are vibing together. Let's see if, you know, whatever."

Then I want you to know that when you get that, when you apply, you know, when you get the link and register for Philly, then there's, they're gonna be an automatic email that's gonna include a special code. We're not gonna say what this is 'cause you have to come to Philly to get it. Per- yeah. And then you g- and then you'll get the discount to come to TVR.

That would be really great for people. And I agree, like, once they get a taste of you, they're gonna want the whole fricking pie. So... I love it.

Um, thank you so much for being here today with me, Keia. Thank you. I appreciate you. I appreciate you.

Thank you so much for always having me, Hunter. Absolutely. And, uh, thank you so much, my friend, for tuning into the Modern Hairstylists podcast. Hope to- Bye.

see you in person this year and, uh, we'll talk to you soon. Peace out, girl scout. Bye-bye. Peace.

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